Interview with Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat
In this episode, we will uncover 3 keys:
- Finding the Right Alignment in Life and Business
- Human Design: A Blueprint for Self-Discovery
- Embracing Life as Your Unique Curriculum
A Podcast Transcription
Episode 49: Clear Abundance Blocks for Emotional Healing and Growth ~ Dr. Marie Gasper-Hulvat
Intro
Odiva Vasell: (00:31)
Welcome, my fabulous fempreneurs! I am excited to bring to you some interesting knowledge and expertise that we can all apply to our daily lives—just making our self-care routine and our daily life so much more in tune with our bodies and even helping our money mindset. So, help me in welcoming Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat today. Welcome, welcome, Doctor Marie!
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat:
Thank you so much for having me. I really appreciate being invited onto the show.
Odiva Vasell: (01:13)
And you are a wealth of knowledge, but we are gonna try and start at the beginning. How did you start your business? Actually, let’s start with the name of your business. Tell us the name of your business and how it got started.
Finding the Right Alignment in Life and Business
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (01:32)
So, the name of my business is Soul Star Attunement, and it has to do with—there’s a chakra. So, there are seven chakras that are—well, there’s six chakras that are in the body, and then there’s a seventh chakra up here—that’s the crown chakra. And then, I’ll step back, and you can see there’s a chakra way up here, kind of a foot, two to three feet above the crown chakra. That’s called the Soul Star chakra, and it is the place where we receive divine guidance that then filters down to our crown chakra and then into our whole system.
So, I picked that Soul Star name after I had a Reiki session with one of my teachers. She told me in the Reiki session to reach up into my Soul Star and pull what I needed to know out of the Soul Star—like that information download. And it was a really powerful session, and afterwards, I was like, That’s the name of my business!
And then, I had an attunement because—well, because a lot of what I do, so much of what I do in just my life—I mean, it’s how I live. It’s part of my business, but it’s also how I live—through the guidance of Reiki.
Reiki just means right Chi or right energy, and it’s all about the energy moving through our bodies and our energetic fields. In Reiki training—and I’ve done all three levels of Reiki training now—we do attunements, so we bring ourselves into energetic alignment with particular energies, particular healing energies.
So, the reason I named my business Soul Star Attunement was because I wanted to help people—help my clients—become attuned to the messages that their Soul Star was there to give them. The downloads that they’re meant to receive from their Soul Star, to be able to reach up into their Soul Star and bring down what they need to know in this moment to guide them in their next step.
Odiva Vasell: (04:01)
Wonderful! And so, this is, you know, this is all new for me—the Soul Star. I know about the other… is it seven chakras? And this one is even higher?
What did it cause you to pull down? Did it cause you to pull the name of your business? And…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (04:25)
It actually brought me a vision of a frog. And frogs often come up in my visions, but it brought me a vision of a frog and tadpoles—eating tadpoles and then coming out of the mud.
And I transformed—like, there was a bunch of metamorphosis going on. And I—I stepped out of the frog’s body, and I had human feet and legs, and I had wings. And it was this beautiful vision of me having wings and being able to fly.
Odiva Vasell: (05:10)
Okay, so from mud to wings?
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (05:13)
Yeah.
Odiva Vasell: (05:14)
And the wings—were they related to your business? So, tell us more about what you do in this business.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (05:23)
So, in my business, I am a life coach—a transformational life coach. I bring people into greater alignment with their soul’s purpose and help clear energy blockages—emotional blockages—that are keeping them from being able to step into the fullness that the universe is ready to provide for them.
Because the universe is always ready to provide us with everything that we need and want. It’s there, waiting. And we have internal stories that we tell about ourselves that prevent the universe from being able to give us all that is there for us—prevent the universe from being able to provide that to us.
So, I help people clear those stories—find the stories, clear the stories—and step further into their abundance.
Odiva Vasell: (06:23)
Wonderful, wonderful! So again, for our listeners—the universe, everything is available. It’s ready to be given to you. It’s just that you may not be ready to receive it because of the programming—the story that you believe about yourself.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (06:50)
And in Human Design, the word that’s used is also conditioning. So, we’re conditioned in certain ways. And in Human Design—one of the modalities that I work in—there’s always two sides of each aspect, each archetype that we live.
We can live in the shadow side of it, or we can live in the optimal side of it. And we’re conditioned, often, to live in the shadow side—to believe that the universe isn’t there to support us.
And the opposite, the optimal side of that, is belief—the belief that the universe is. That there is universal, infinite abundance available to us.
We can be stuck in a lack mindset, or we can trust, fall into, and be immersed in a mindset that says, There is infinite abundance out there, and it is here for me to support me.
Odiva Vasell: (07:47)
All right, well, let’s get into a little deeper an example of money mindsets. What are the typical blockages that you find your clients come to you with?
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (08:01)
Well, one of the biggest things with money mindset is we all feel like we want money and need the money to support the things that we need, like just to survive. A lot of what blocks us are stories that we don’t actually deserve. We don’t actually believe that we’re worthy of the abundance the universe is here to provide—of the money that is here. So, we feel we don’t deserve it, and when we internalize that, then it’s not going to come our way.
There are many, many reasons why we pick up these stories that we don’t deserve it. They can come from childhood experiences, from even adult life traumas, from micro-traumas, or from whole cultural traumas that exist—cultural narratives about how we don’t deserve this, that we’re not worthy of this. It can also come through past life experiences, ancestral trauma, and ancestral experiences. We bring all that to the table, and all of those aspects of the story—of “I don’t deserve this,” “I’m not worthy of this”—then affect the ability of the universe to bring us the money that we need, that will keep us going, that will keep us thriving, that will overfill our cups.
So, we have to clear that. We have to clear those stories about abundance, about deserving, and about worthiness in order to break free of those binds.
Odiva Vasell: (09:55)
Yes! One of the things I know is that there is a flow—flow of energy, flow of money, flow of abundance, flow of everything that’s good that wants to come toward us and come into our lives. Sometimes we block it. We think we’re protecting ourselves, and it causes this blockage to…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (10:21)
It’s almost always a self-protective mechanism. I mean, in my experience, we block it because that’s what we needed to do in a past experience in order to protect ourselves. It’s not like we’re trying to sabotage ourselves. It’s not like we’re trying to say, “No, I don’t deserve this.” It’s that we have had experiences where, in order to survive, we’ve had to tell these stories to protect ourselves.
The brain’s No. 1 job, the body’s No. 1 job, is to protect life and to do whatever it takes to protect. We get stuck in these cycles of self-protection because we think we’re still experiencing that trauma. Somewhere in our body, somewhere in our being, we are still holding on to the memory of being stuck in that trauma, not knowing that it ended.
That was a past life. That was something that happened to my ancestors, and it’s no longer happening to me. That was something that happened to me when I was four years old, but it ended. Being able to convince not just the brain but the body that whatever it is that happened—that made us feel unworthy—has ended, means we no longer have to protect ourselves from that experience.
That’s what releases the block—when we realize that we’re no longer having to experience that over and over and over again. I feel like I had a vision this morning—millions and millions of people are walking around on this planet, and we’re not all living in this moment. We’re living in multiple moments at the same time because we’re carrying around in our bodies all these moments that we’re still reliving.
Odiva Vasell: (12:23)
Yeah.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (12:24)
On replay—because of the trauma that they caused—and we haven’t figured out a way to let go of those stories. So, you know…
Odiva Vasell: (12:36)
I’m gonna open myself up here to exactly give you an example of what you’re saying. A small example is yesterday—I went to get a massage, and I was late. Now, I had planned the whole day to be very, very early, but the weather was terrible, and traffic and other things delayed me. I came in 15 minutes late, and I know that for the first 15 minutes of that massage, I was beating myself up, saying, “Why didn’t I do this?” or “What was it that I did wrong?”
And then, it’s like, wait a minute.
The beautiful waterfall music is playing. I’m here. Let me enjoy this moment. Stop that talking.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (13:37):
And if we were to—so, one of the other modalities that I use with my coaching is called EFT tapping. If we were to tap on that, we would probably start with the story about: “I’m late. Why did I do this? I should have done that.” I would literally have just written down exactly what you told me—the words you just said. Then, I would have gone through a series of tapping, and we would have used your exact words and tapped them into your body. Would you like to try this for a second?
Odiva Vasell (14:17):
Yeah, definitely.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (14:19):
I think I’ve got the words in my head. Alright, so we’re gonna start on the top side of your hand.
Odiva Vasell (14:24):
Okay.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (14:25):
Even though…
Odiva Vasell (14:26):
Even though…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (14:28):
I was 15 minutes late.
Odiva Vasell (14:30):
I was 15 minutes late.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (14:32):
For my massage session.
Odiva Vasell (14:34):
For my massage session.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (14:37):
And for the first 15 minutes…
Odiva Vasell (14:39):
And for the first 15 minutes…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (14:42):
All I could think about was…
Odiva Vasell (14:46):
All I could think about was…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (14:47):
“I should have done this. I should have done that.”
Odiva Vasell (14:50):
“I should have done this. I should have done that.”
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (14:53):
And I deeply and completely…
Odiva Vasell (14:55):
And I deeply and completely…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (14:58):
Love and accept myself.
Odiva Vasell (15:00):
Love and accept myself.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:02):
Even though…
Odiva Vasell (15:04):
Even though…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:06):
For my massage yesterday…
Odiva Vasell (15:08):
For my massage yesterday…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:10):
I spent the first 15 minutes…
Odiva Vasell (15:12):
I spent the first 15 minutes…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:16):
Dwelling on all the stuff I should have done…
Odiva Vasell (15:18):
Dwelling on all the stuff I should have done…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:22):
So I could have been on time.
Odiva Vasell (15:24):
So I could have been on time.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:27):
And I deeply and completely love and accept myself.
Odiva Vasell (15:29):
And I deeply and completely love and accept myself.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:34):
Even though…
Odiva Vasell (15:34):
Even though…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:37):
Yesterday, for my massage…
Odiva Vasell (15:39):
Yesterday, for my massage…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:41):
I had a hard time enjoying the beautiful music…
Odiva Vasell (15:45):
I had a hard time enjoying the beautiful music…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:49):
Because I was so focused on how I was late.
Odiva Vasell (15:53):
Because I was so focused on how I was late.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (15:57):
I deeply and completely love and accept myself.
Odiva Vasell (16:00):
I deeply and completely love and accept myself.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (16:03):
Alright, now you’re gonna tap on the top of your head.
“I was 15 minutes late.”
Odiva Vasell (16:11):
“I was 15 minutes late.”
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (16:13):
You’re gonna go to the inside of your eyebrows.
“I couldn’t focus.”
Odiva Vasell (16:18):
“I couldn’t focus.”
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (16:22):
Outside of the eyes.
“Beautiful waterfall music.”
Odiva Vasell (16:26):
“Beautiful waterfall music.”
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (16:29):
Under the eyes.
“All the things I should have done.”
Odiva Vasell (16:33):
“All the things I should have done.”
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (16:37):
Under the nose.
“Should have done this.”
Odiva Vasell (16:40):
“Should have done this.”
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (16:42):
Under the lip.
“Should have done that.”
Odiva Vasell (16:44):
“Should have done that.”
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (16:47):
Under your collarbones, right about there.
“I was 15 minutes late.”
Odiva Vasell (16:54):
“I was 15 minutes late.”
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (16:57):
And then you’re gonna go under your arm, kind of right where your bra strap is.
“I was 15 minutes late.”
Odiva Vasell (17:03):
“I was 15 minutes late.”
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (17:09):
Alright, and then I would ask you to take a drink of water. Do you have anything to drink? ‘Cause water helps move emotions.
We can keep going with this, or we can pause. But the next thing I would ask you is: is anything coming up in your body or in your thoughts?
Odiva Vasell: (17:35)
Yes.
Something is coming up here (forehead), and it’s—it’s like, why beat yourself up?
It’s over.
It’s over.
And I think there is a tendency to please others. You know, “What are people thinking of me because I was late?” And you know, I’ve—I’ve done work through this so that I was able to stop myself at the 15-minute point. Years before, it probably would have just taken over the whole massage. It probably would have been extra tense because I would be thinking about
how I could do things better and look better in a way—the way that other people perceive me.
It would have been a big thing. It’s a daily process, but becoming more aware of staying in the present—stay here.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (19:08)
Absolutely.
Odiva Vasell: (19:09)
Yeah.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (19:11)
So, if we were to continue—which I don’t think we should today—I would… Everything you just said,
I would have written down, and then we would have done that again with your words and tapped another round to see what came up. As you go through these rounds of tapping,
it kind of breaks down the emotional, like, goo—
like the stickiness—and you get to a point where you’re like, “That’s where this is coming from!”
The sudden realization that, like, “Oh, this relates to this thing that happened when I was five years old,
and I’m still holding on to it somewhere in my body.”
And it works because you’re—you’re—you’re tapping different, very sensitive, energetic points.
These are not just random points that have been chosen. EFT tapping works
with the Chinese meridian system and ancient traditional Chinese medicine. The meridians are like—this is a particular meridian activated. This one on the chest is the Kidney Meridian.
There are different—this here is the Governing Vessel Meridian—like, there are various
different meridians that are tapped into, and you’re just kind of activating the energies in
those circuits in your body. They’re like an electrical circuitry in your body, and it just kind of…
It turns different switches and gets your body to pay attention to different things.
And it leads your mind—like, ideas to pop into your mind, feelings to pop into your body—
that you can then kind of follow. It’s almost like a scavenger hunt
or a treasure map that your body leads you on as you go through these tapping rounds.
And then suddenly, something will just go— poof! And I can start to feel the energy moving a little bit
with you in that first round. Like, there was—there was a little bit of shifting.
And then, as we go further into the rounds of tapping, suddenly, huge energetic things will come through.
For me, as the practitioner, I have very strong
physical responses to other people’s energies moving. So, even if I—
like, the client—doesn’t feel the energy moving, if I’m yawning and burping and shaking and coughing, I know their energies are moving. Because when we set this up,
there’s an energetic entanglement between me and the client, and I can feel as their energies are moving—even if they can’t.
And so, I know when things are working, and I can kind of feel when things are still stuck,
and we need to take it one more round. And then suddenly— poof!—
it all transforms.
So, that’s how tapping works. But what you were saying about being seen,
what other people think of you, and wanting to appear like you’re not disappointing others—
am I getting there?
Odiva Vasell: (22:20)
Yeah.
Human Design: A Blueprint for Self-Discovery
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (22:22)
So that’s something that I would also look at your Human Design chart about because there are very particular areas of the Human Design chart that frequently—like, if they—there’s one particular— The Human Design chart has a bunch of different squares and triangles on it, and there’s one particular triangle that, if it’s not colored in, frequently, people who don’t have that colored in are the people pleasers.
They’re the ones that want to keep everybody happy because we don’t want to have any arguments; we don’t want to have any conflicts because conflicts feel, to those people, so much more intense and painful that you want to avoid them at all costs.
So one of the things that, from a Human Design perspective—and the really nice way of merging EFT tapping and Human Design—is we can look at your chart and say, “Okay, we need to maybe work on people-pleasing because I see this is in your chart, and you have probably had a lifetime of trying to please people.”
Odiva Vasell: (23:38)
This is something that came up as you were talking, and you said, you know, going deeper into— and I was thinking, “Oh, yes, of course!” Both my parents—being on time and being— it was just a super, super strict thing, whether it be work or anything. Being so organized, very perfectionist in that aspect.
And then I also remember moving to Japan and living in that culture where if you are on time, you’re late. Yeah. The train—perfect example—if the train was 30 seconds late, you would see people on the platform with their arms crossed and foot tapping like, “How dare you be 30 seconds late?” Everything was supposed to be so precise.
So letting that go, it’s like a daily thing for me—just letting go of these expectations that others have put. Yeah, yeah.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (24:53)
Yeah, and the beautiful thing about this process is it takes some work, but eventually, it does go. It stops. Through enough tapping, through enough reframing, through enough understanding of, “Okay, this is the conditioning that I received from that experience, but it’s no longer mine,” and clearing those energies and saying, “Am I holding on to any energies that don’t belong to me right now?”
And if I am, I choose to let them go. Well, the thing that I always ask myself when I’m doing energy clearing on myself is, “Am I holding on to any energies that don’t belong to me?” And if—like, I get kind of a sense—like, yes or no—and I can just kind of feel that yes or no in my body.
And if I get a yes, I ask—well, I ask, I try to clear them, and then, if they are still sticking around, then I ask, “Is it safe for me to let go of these energies?” And usually, if they don’t clear the first time, it’s because it’s not safe—because something in me is saying it’s not safe.
And then I ask, “Is it not safe for my adult self?” And then I’ll get a yes or no kind of feeling. And then I’ll ask, “Is it not safe for my inner child?” And I’ll get a yes or no feeling.
And then I have different tactics. If it’s for my adult self, if I just brush my shoulders—one, two, three, left, right, left—sometimes, that’s enough to calm my nervous system down to the point that it’s like, “Okay, it’s fine.”
But if it’s my inner child, I have to do other things. I have to sing songs to my inner child. I have special songs that I sing to her. I have special things, like I put my hands on her shoulders and say, “We’ve got this, girl. It’s gonna be okay. I’m behind you,” until she feels like she’s safe. And then, usually, I can clear the energy away.
Odiva Vasell: (26:51)
That was a little bit more about this inner child. Is it hard to connect with her?
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (27:00)
It has taken me a long time. It’s been a really—it’s been a painful journey in some ways because she did not trust me for many decades. For good reason—because I was ignoring her, and I didn’t really want to hear what she had to tell me.
And I’m still a little bit afraid. Like, actually, last night, I was tapping on this because something that she told me was truly horrific. I have released it, and it’s gone. I’m no longer living it. And I was living it for 40 years.
But last night, I was like, “I’m still afraid that I’m holding on to it.” And I asked, “Am I still holding on to it?” I’m not still hanging on, but I’m afraid that I’m still holding on to it. So then I had to tap on that and release that fear.
But you know, it really started off—when I first finally felt like I was finally connecting with her—when I started asking about socks.
I finally—like, the way that I finally kind of broke her resistance to trusting me—was I would ask every morning before I chose the socks that I put on my feet, “Do I want to wear these socks today? Or do I want to wear these socks today? Or these socks?”
I would find a pair of socks that my body was like, “Those are the ones!” And for months, and still occasionally, my body had very strong opinions about socks.
And I feel like—if you think about it—infants have really strong opinions about the things that go on their feet. And I feel like that really is what kind of got her to be able to begin to open up to me—that she could trust me about the socks that I was wearing. And that started to crack things open, where she was more willing to start communicating with me and let me in—to acknowledge that she was there, that she had needs that were unmet, and to listen to her.
So that’s been a huge journey—a huge process for me.
Odiva Vasell (29:32):
Yeah.
And the process of you letting go of that control and letting her speak up and say, “This is what I wanna wear today,” ’cause…
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (29:41):
Exactly.
Odiva Vasell (29:42):
We don’t usually get that luxury—to get something we want.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (29:48):
Exactly. It was socks. It was—that’s a really strong, like, “Nope, nope, not those, not those.”
Odiva Vasell (30:00):
Okay.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (30:01):
It was really a matter of just listening to my body and what my body really wanted from me, and just paying attention to what was going on with my body.
I’ve been doing that lately when I feel an emotion come up that’s mine—the energy that’s mine—fear, anxiety, overwhelm, whatever it is. And I just ask my body, “Where am I holding this?” A lot of times, it’s in a particular chakra. So, I just kind of go through my chakras, and I’m usually holding it in my heart.
And when I just say, “Okay, I hear that. I feel nervous in my heart,” a lot of times just stating that and acknowledging—”I hear you. You are being heard. I’m not ignoring you. I’m hearing that you feel nervous. I’m hearing that my heart feels nervous”—that is enough to kind of let it go. And then, it’s not nervous anymore.
Odiva Vasell (31:17):
Saying it out loud.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (31:18):
Yeah, just saying it, or even just in my head—just acknowledging, “Hey, that’s where it is, and I hear it, and I feel it, and I acknowledge that it’s there.” That alone sometimes clears it.
“I’m not feeling worthy of having money come into my life right now. Where am I feeling that? What chakra am I feeling that in?”
“Okay, I’m feeling that in my throat chakra. All right, I hear it. Can I—? And is that enough to release it?”
And just saying that, like, I’m now feeling like I might need to burp, because then she’s on her way.
Odiva Vasell (32:02):
Go for it, go for it! Because that was—you were kind of reading the question that was just on my mind.
Which chakra is typically related to the flow of money or connected to that?
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (32:21):
It really can—it totally depends on your conditioning. It totally depends, and it totally depends on the moment.
Because money issues can often come up in the root chakra. And I have—because money is inherently material. Even though we—like, everything we do with money now is completely digital, right? But fundamentally, money is matter. It’s material. It’s physical. It’s something tangible, made of the earth in some capacity.
And it provides for our physical needs. So, anything that provides for our physical needs is related to our bodily—like, our embodiment comes up from the earth. And actually, we have an earth star chakra down in the earth that is below our feet, and that feeds up into our root chakra.
So, the root chakra, which is kind of at the base of our spine, is often related to money issues. But also, being able to fully ground into the energy of the earth is essential for accessing that flow.
And that’s something that I only very, very recently—in the last year—have been able to actually do.
For so many years, I would be at these meditation things, and in my first Reiki classes—my Reiki 1 and my Reiki 2 classes—and they’d be like, “Ground down into the earth.”
And I’m like, “I don’t know how to do that.”
Odiva Vasell (34:18):
It’s interesting, because we’re talking about flow and something that’s so free, and then you’re talking about grounding yourself into—well, like, I always think about an electrical current, connecting to that ground.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (34:33):
And there literally is an electrical current in the earth that comes up through the kidney meridian. There’s an acupressure point on the soles of the feet that is literally how we energetically connect to the earth.
And if that spot or that meridian is blocked in some way—and it was for me for decades—it’s really like, you can’t will yourself to ground.
I work with a chiropractor frequently, and he was working on my feet, and he says, “Oh, this is a long time coming.”
I’m like, “What?”
He says, “You’re finally grounding.”
I’m like, “Yeah!”
Odiva Vasell (35:29):
Okay. It sounds like it relates to safety again.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat (35:24):
Absolutely, absolutely! It’s trusting in the energy of Mother Earth to support you—that you can be safely in this body that Mother Earth has provided you with.
Because all of us are made of the essence of Mother Earth, and it’s feeling safe enough to fully inhabit that body and connect down into the energy of Mother Earth, knowing that she is providing for us and giving us the safety that we need.
And trusting—I mean, that’s really another crux of money mindset—trusting in the ability of the universe and Mother Earth to provide for us.
And knowing that we have a soul’s purpose.
We’re here, embodied in this lifetime, in these bodies, to do something. We’re not here just randomly—we came into these bodies for a reason. We have a purpose for this lifetime. Our soul has a purpose for occupying this material world in this lifetime.
And we wouldn’t be here if there wasn’t the support for us to have the experiences that we need to have.
Embracing Life as Your Unique Curriculum
And that’s one of the things I love about human design—it really helps us. It kind of tells us, it shows us what our curriculum is.
Like, it’s almost like we’re here in this lifetime as part of a really drawn-out—I’m a university professor, so it’s like a really drawn-out university program of study.
And then, the whole curriculum that we’re here to follow in this lifetime—each one of us has a different curriculum.
There are no across-the-campus majors. Every single one of us has a different major. Every single one of us has a different minor.
And we each have a curriculum that we’re here to learn from this embodied experience—because that’s what our soul wants us to do.
Odiva Vasell: (37:54)
That’s a lot to take in, but it’s quite a beautiful concept that each of us has a unique curriculum.
And how we’re gonna interact with that curriculum depends on a lot of things, but yeah, so many options.
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (38:20)
And what we attract into our lives is part of that curriculum. The people that we attract into our lives are part of the curriculum. The debt that we attract into our lives is part of that curriculum. The financial windfalls that we attract into our lives—it’s all part of that curriculum.
And so, understanding how we are getting straight A’s or F’s along the path of our curriculum… I don’t know if that’s really the greatest term, but like, how we are living—like our— I know, well, I mean, it’s not… Yeah, I mean, there are a lot of aspects of the human design chart that could be interpreted as a proclivity toward failing, and it’s not really… that’s not what they are.
They are a proclivity toward trying things out and seeing what works. A lot of things won’t work, and you learn from them.
Odiva Vasell: (39:31)
Yes, same in business. Yes!
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (39:33)
Exactly! I just did— it was a really exciting opportunity for me to put out my latest freebie to an audience of 30,000 people of this really important business guru. She was distributing this list. Her name is Elizabeth Goddard, and she ran this tripwire training.
So, putting up a tripwire on your freebie encourages people to purchase something from you after they download your freebie. And so, I created a whole 46-page workbook and put it up as a tripwire for $17 off my freebie. And I really hauled it to make sure I got it done in time for her deadline.
I was envisioning hundreds of purchases because, you know, you have to dream big. I didn’t get that, but I have gotten about 10 new subscribers to my list—which, 10 is great, right? So, it wasn’t a failure.
But it did teach me some things about, like, well, for one— maybe her audience isn’t my ideal audience. So, that’s, you know, why my offer didn’t necessarily appeal to many of her subscribers. Her subscribers are interested in developing their online businesses—why, I’m a subscriber to her stuff! But maybe they’re not as interested in thinking about human design.
Maybe they’re not parents because my freebie is Discovering Your 9 Child’s (or Inner Child’s) Superpowers—a free human design report that goes into what your inner child (or your child) has as their superpowers, what they need, and how to foster authentic, meaningful growth in environments that support them.
It works for your inner child too because you still have to repair your inner child constantly as well. So yeah, maybe that’s not her audience as much as my ideal audience. But I got people, and I did make a tripwire sale! So, like, it’s a learning process.
Odiva Vasell: (42:13)
Yes! And everything you said is so huge for business—taking those steps forward, then tailoring it and learning what works and what doesn’t work.
Another thing you said—this is for parenting your inner child—so this is huge! We’re definitely gonna have to take a look into that.
But before we close up, every time you say the word human design—is that what you said?—I get a vision of colors. A lot of colors on a chart. Is that something that you work with?
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (43:00)
That’s amazing! Yeah, I’ve been tweaking and playing around with how I envision the human design chart to look. And it does have a whole bunch of colors.
Traditionally, the human design chart is just lines with maybe two colors. But I’ve always envisioned the human design chart as embodying the colors traditionally associated with the chakras. That’s too funny!
Odiva Vasell: (43:33)
Every time you said human design, it was just like—I just see this vision of colors! So, I will definitely post that and your freebie.
And I just want to thank you for joining us and being so authentic and real with us today. I’m so happy to have you!
Doctor Marie Gasper-Hulvat: (43:58)
It was a wonderful conversation, so thank you so much for inviting me in!
Odiva Vasell: (44:02)
You’re welcome.
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Conclusion
Human Design isn’t just a concept—it’s a powerful tool for self-discovery and growth! Every experience, whether a challenge or a win, is part of your unique journey. By understanding your strengths and listening to your inner child, you can create a life and business that truly light you up. So keep exploring, stay curious, and trust that you’re exactly where you’re meant to be!